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DazzleDust
July 20th, 2008, 04:54 PM
Hi, everyone!! I saw Lucinda Ellery (London) on "10 Years Younger" the other week and as she seems to have loads of experience treating women with alopecia, I'm seriously considering going to see her for a consultation. Has anyone been to her salon for treatment and if so, how did it go? Have tried wigs but find them too obvious, plus I am paranoid about ruining what hair I DO have left. : :$ I am also quite a sweaty person (sorry to share!!) so don't fancy Toppik or any cosmetic type concealers. Lucinda could well be my answer!! :jump: I look forward to receiving some feedback, whether good or bad. Many thanks and have a good week, everyone!! xxx

scotia47
July 24th, 2008, 08:33 AM
Hi

I joined this board specifically to respond to your post!
I went down to London a year past Oct as I was getting to the frantic stage with my hair loss. I visited Lucinda's and was quite happy with her friendly approach generally although she was very keen to show me fab pics of girls she has successfully treated for trich - not exactly relevent to an alopecia androgenica sufferer. I was hoping she would supply me with a volumiser, even though that would mean 6-8 weekly treks to London to have it adjusted. However, astonishingly, she declared I had 'lots of hair' (?) and it would be difficult to fit a volumiser onto that. I was so taken aback as I thought I was pretty thin! Lucinda whipped out a tin of Fullmore and sprayed my head with it, declaring that was my best option at that time. I've used it ever since although I'm beginning to hanker after something a bit better now and am currently looking for a top quality supplier of volumisers or pieces in Scotland.

jakey123
July 24th, 2008, 10:51 AM
Hi ,
My first experience was exactly the same. I did go back for the volumiser though, and regretted it. I am using Fullmore as well and have to thank Lucinda for showing me how.

Jaye
July 24th, 2008, 11:59 AM
DazzleDust

I'm an ex-LE client and have written up my experience in a Word document which I'd be happy to email to you if you want to PM me your email address. It's long, but in summary, I had about 50% hair loss due to alopecia areata and the system made more hair fall out due to traction. Lots of pros and cons with the system, but only you can decide whether it's right for you. Also, it's extortionately expensive to have put on and then maintained regularly and, in my opinion, not value for money. If it's still the sort of solution you might be interested in, I can put you in touch with an ex-LE technician who now offers the same kind of services for less cost.

Jaye

DazzleDust
July 24th, 2008, 01:25 PM
Hi, everyone!
Many thanks for your feedback. :) I got a can of Fullmore but found it disgusting, really stiff and crunchy. Was I putting too much on? Am just so fed up now with the whole (lack of) hair sutuation, just want a magic solution to it all!! :( Will keep finding out about alternatives but in the meantime, thanks again everyone! More opinions would still be welcomed!!

sadie_2008
July 24th, 2008, 04:06 PM
Wow Soctia - your experience is EXACTLY like mine. Said too much hair for volumiser and out came the fullmore, lol.

My experience with Lucindas is confined to hair extensions. I had to cancel this weeks appt due to my work commitments, and was shocked that because i didnt give a 3 day cancellation notice my depost was going to be forfeited. I kindly told the reception lady i only booked it earlier in the day and so a 3 day cancellation notice clearly didnt apply.

I see LE as a money maker to be very honest. She's the nearest place to me that does fibre extensions which arent bonded onto the natural hair (and i dont want to use micro rings).

Now, i have been to 4 salons in central london: LE, Bloomsbury Wigs, Whitecliffs and Mark Glenn. I recommend Bloomsbury Wigs over any of them. My experience and i know others i have spoken to on the UK PCOS board have decent views of them too.

sadie_2008
July 24th, 2008, 04:09 PM
Sorry i should clarify, i've had around 4 sets of hair extensions put in at Lucindas, and i went to Bloomsbury Wigs to have a bespoke integration hair system made up. I have it but havent worn it yet. Seeing Graham at BW next weekend to go through practise runs of putting it on and taking it off as the thinning is becoming unbearable! xox

scotia47
July 24th, 2008, 04:14 PM
Jaye

Your ex LE techie wouldn't be any further north by any chance????

jakey123
July 25th, 2008, 01:01 AM
Hi,

Sadie could you explain how your topper is made? Did you say that it has holes for your own hair to be pulled through?
How is it attached?

Thanks

sadie_2008
July 25th, 2008, 01:22 AM
Hi Jakey - i got my system from bloomsbury wigs. It was made to measure etc. I got it made so that there are several holes (netted in effect) for me to pull my existing bio hair through. However, i am having difficulty in doing this. It has several clips attached to a PVC strip going around (if that makes sense). I didn't want to go for the one where the fake hair was just put on top. I wanted something a bit more natural looking.

I am going to BW next weekend to have it put on and taken off repeatedly to get some practise in, and also get a fringe cut in. I hope i can do it myself :) Otherwise i am going to consider getting it attached on with microrings (at this point clips are NOT used).

jakey123
July 25th, 2008, 03:59 AM
Thanks Sadie,

It sounds good, keep us informed, as I am thinking of trying them. Pics would be great if possible.
Are you happy with the hair quality and match to your own? Attaching with microrings sounds interesting,does that mean that it is similar to bonding?
Sorry for all the questions ,but you know what its like, Ive already poured £3000 down the drain.

sadie_2008
July 25th, 2008, 11:15 AM
£3,000 on toppers/fake hair Jakey?! Lordy!

Well the hair colour matches mine perfectly. Once it is combed it looks natural, but my concerns is having exposure of the net to others. I work in a profession in which i am publicly speaking daily and i always have folk sitting behind me. This is how my hair extensions got noticed by someone! lol. So i am a bit paranoid and i wanna get it right.

I'll definitely let you know how it goes next Saturday. My only concern is that i still wont be able to do it :(

CRYSTALBOLTON
September 22nd, 2009, 11:30 AM
Yes, I went from Leeds and they seemed very cold and money orientated, it appeared as if the clients where on a production line !

I have ended up with going to a place called Hairdoll Ltd which is much closer to home for myself in Yorkshire, it is also half the price Lucinda gave to me.

I would suggest you have a look at their web page its http://www.hairdoll.co.uk

Crystal B x

CRYSTALBOLTON
September 22nd, 2009, 12:06 PM
Lucinda Ellery is sooooo over priced

And the money for a consulation isn't even given back to you when you get treatment! :thumbdown2:

While I was sat down in there all the staff were complianing about how it was a terrible place to work which made me feel very uncomfortable

If you want an at home relaxed experience while you get your hair done and with NO ONE else around looking and judging you I'd go to Hairdoll in Leeds, I switched from Lucinda to Hairdoll months ago and its so much cheaper and so so so much more private !! :bravo:

Its only 2-3 women in there but they really look after you !

CrystalB

x

JulieK
September 23rd, 2009, 02:55 PM
I'd also recommend Mark Glenn in London http://www.markglenn.com - I've been going there for a while now and they're fantastic, great bunch of people and, more importantly, my hair looks great and gets loads of compliments.

They are still quite expensive (although half the price of Lucinda Ellery) but then who likes spending money on anything?! For the confidence it gives me, it's been worth every penny Jx

sadie_2008
September 26th, 2009, 04:06 PM
Mark Glenn is Lucindas ex-husband.

Both went on about how hopeless it was for me to have a system as i had too much hair. Graham at Bloomsbury Wigs said the same thing, but was able to find me a medium solution with a topper with a lower density. I'm surprised that both Glenn and Ellery, given their "experience" in hair loss (Lucinda having hair loss herself), couldn't advise me of that. Afterall they do hair extensions etc for people who dont have loss such as victoria beckham, cherly cole, pixie geldof etc etc etc.

Or maybe, and this is what i've often thought, they like to keep / have "high end" clients to keep their reputation amongst those who can afford to pay their sky high prices. Someone normal like me isn't as welcomed. Or maybe i am just paranoid, but i did go with my housemate at the time to Glenns and she even said it was a high market place and it felt like he didnt want to "help".

:dunno:

michelesmith
September 26th, 2009, 05:25 PM
Fullmore takes practice, you just spray it in small bursts not like a hairspray and lift up your hair to get it on the crown/root area so the scalp is covered but your hair wont get that crunchy dirty feeling , ive been using it about a year now and its saved me from wearing toppers........

DaniellaZ
February 12th, 2010, 03:58 AM
JulieK I am quite surprised that you like Mark Glenn doesnt he use synthetic hair. I agree with almost everyone that Lucinda is a rip off. How can anyone charge £1500 +VAT fot Russian hair- and she uses glue. My advice is go to Tatiana Hair Extensions either in London or Manchester. She has the best hair which she gets herself from Russia, her prices are well below LE or MG and she uses Micro Rings. Plus the salon is cosy and she has the two cutest chihuahua!

JulieK
February 14th, 2010, 06:44 AM
DaniellaZ, yes I preferred the synthetic hair option because it's lighter on the head (about half the weight) and isn't applied with glues and, most importantly, it looks and feels just like human hair. From an ethical point of view, I didn't want hair that's been on someone else's head especially having read the stories in the media about where it comes from. It works for me and everyone who's felt it and seen it thinks it's real hair. It's really easy to style because it reacts to heat so I can use straighteners and rollers etc. I wouldn't criticise anyone who uses human hair, it just wasn't for me.

Joanne D
March 3rd, 2010, 06:21 AM
I went to Lucinda ellery for a consultation about 2 weeks ago. I am getting married in August and have been thinking about this for a while. I am getting really fed up with covering up patches and I certainly don't want to spend my wedding day worrying about my hair!! A friend of mine told me her cousin got a hair system done at a place in manchester (the guy used to work for ellery?) and she felt the system did not look natural so contacted ellery and they were happy to redo things for her. she told me the service was professional which I suppose is a bonus but I just want natural looking 'hair'. anyway, went to ellery on this personal recommendation and she was very straight foward about costs and appts etc. I saw a couple of clients at reception and their hair looked great which kind of inspired me. am just a bit disappointed that i have to wait 4 weeks to get it done but i feel good about finally making a decision about what system to go for. if anyone is interested I can update you once my hair is done at the end of march. i have read various review about ellery but you have to make your own mind up but i don't mind sharing my experience good or bad if it helps someone else. J

hannah88
September 5th, 2010, 12:19 PM
Hi everyone,

I am so glad I found this page...I have Alopecia Areata and went for a consultation at LE a couple of weeks ago. I am still unsure of what to do, over a 2 year period the interlace system is about £6000 so much money and not only that but a lot of trips to London and back.

I didn't realise there were other options out there except for getting a wig, but I still have quite a lot of hair.

Thanks for all your help

Hannah

Vlal
September 7th, 2010, 05:43 PM
:shock: :shock: :shock: £6K for 2 years.... my gosh. There is a lot of information on the Internet about Lucinda Ellery's systems - reviews and so on. I have not read much positive about it. :thumbdown2:

hayley86
September 20th, 2010, 03:49 PM
I keep reading bad feedback about Lucinda Ellery online, but I have yet to come across a trich or alopecia sufferer in real life that has had a bad experience there and I know a good 30 people that have been there for various treatments in both London and Manchester. Which leads me to conclude that some, not all, of the stuff online may be written by her competitors.

Now I can only go on what I know myself. I have only attended a consultation with Lucinda so far but I found her to be the most bubbly, caring person I have ever met. I was fully prepared to meet a saleswoman or someone pushing to get me to pay big bucks for stuff I didnt need but that wasn't her at all. She was genuine, honest and said I really didn't need a replacement or intralace system and that carefully place medi connections would do the trick. (I suffer from Trich)

Someone posted earlier that they got the impression she was saving herself for larger clients, but that wasn't the case at all with me. She called in experts to seek their opinion on connections and said I was probably the smallest task she had ever been asked to undertake but she said she understood how I felt and how I wouldn't want it to go back to how it used to be.

And although I am nervous about my connections, I hope everything goes as well as it has with the other people I know that have been there. One girl sold all her clothes to attend the consultation and Lucinda gave her money back and paid for her for the next two years because she was so broke. So she is definitely not a woman who is in it for the money.

She understands Trich like no other person I know and even if this all goes wrong, her kindness has already helped me so much in understanding that there is still hope no matter how bad any of us are suffering. Considering I have seen doctors, psychiatrists, counsellors and a whole host of specialists... no one understands hairloss like someone who experiences it first hand themselves. I pride myself on being a good judge of character and believe me, this woman is inspirational.

The intralace system and connections arent suited to everyone, but LE are trying to help as many people as possible to make a real difference which is a far cry from any hairdresser or bogus extension salon. These people definitely know what they are talking about.

x

sadie_2008
September 20th, 2010, 05:08 PM
Anyone here a Lucinda Ellery competitor as the above poster seems to suggest?

Speak now or forever hold your comments ;)

Vlal
September 20th, 2010, 05:43 PM
The impression I got from watching LE on the Channel 4 documentary, that aired recently, is that her passion is girls and women with TTM and while this may not be the case, that is the impression she gave to me. Certainly when I went to look at her website, the consultation for someone with non-TTM hair loss is 1 hour (and costs less, fair enough) whereas the consultation for someone with TTM is 1 and half hours (and costs more). Why one type of hair loss takes more time to consult on than another strikes me as a little odd. I don't really know how that made me feel, except it didn't make me want to book an appointment in the future. This also derives from the fact that the impression she gave to me on the programme I watched was that she really feels strongly about helping women and girls with TTM and because of this she likes to give them extra personal time to try and help them deal with it. I am pleased that there is someone out there offering a much needed service to people suffering from this type of hair loss. However, as I do not have this type of hair loss, I would be unlikely to go to see someone whose main interest seems to be that. Obviously having never booked a consultation to go and see her, I personally cannot comment on whether this is the reality or whether I have perceived her wrongly.

Whether people posting on here are competitors... well I personally know of at least 2 people who have visited her salon and did not have favourable experiences and they are far from being the heads of hair-selling business empires!! I am sure there are probably a few people out there on the 'net who write negative things about her and are her competitor, but I can't see that this is particularly different to any other business-to-business situation.

If you go on AUK (Alopecia UK) Forum, you will read things that just can't be made up and that if you wear supplemental hair you know whether the person would have any grounds or any basis to say these things from the way the person says them. Including a person who ended up (over time) borrowing £7K to finance her hair extensions.

My concerns in general with LE and other salon-based "hair replacement systems" will always come down to:

Quality
Price
Longevity
Customer Service

The reality is that there are always going to be cosmetic hair replacement options that are cheaper than these type of systems and still look good.

If LE works for you, then that's great! If her systems are wonderful and her customer service is wonderful then she has nothing to worry about in the cosmetic hair replacement industry! At the end of the day, people are quite capable of sorting the wheat from the chaff and I am sure if I went and searched for information and reviews about LE on TTM forums, I would probably find lots of glowing reports, but with hair loss there is no one size fits all - we all require different solutions, all have different budgets and all required varied levels of vendor/salon input.

sadie_2008
September 20th, 2010, 06:01 PM
Another thing - once i moved from Lucindas extensions to other more reasonably priced salons, all i heard was "we have a lot of Lucindas (and Whitecliffs) clients coming here". So there has to be a fair few ORDINARY hairloss sufferers leaving her to move onto other salons.

Of course, i left as i could no longer wear extensions and i wouldnt go for her intralace system just yet. Dont know what the future holds but i wouldnt ever want to see her son for a consultation.

Vlal
September 20th, 2010, 06:31 PM
Someone on AUK was mentioning about her son and his poor customer service.

The reality is, if you want to bond, you can buy a lace based system for a fraction of the price and do it yourself. Or if you don't want to bond yourself there are places in London (and other major cities) for women of colour who can bond for you or else if you are not worried about traction alopecia then you can get your hair braided around the edge of the balding area and have a piece sewn in or attached using micro rings. There are many other options, not necessarily ones I would use myself, that are similar to the type of things being offered by LE, Whitecliffs, Mark Glenn and that cost a fraction of what is being charged by such salons. For the price that I have seen people are quoted from these places I would want VEHH. I would rather buy a Flora at least I know it will last me a few years.

Beliza
September 21st, 2010, 05:57 AM
I have very little doubt that Hayley86 is the sales rep here - from Lucinda Ellery. :mrgreen:

Joanne D
September 28th, 2010, 05:27 AM
Hi

If people want to moan about Lucinda Ellery or Whitecliffs or whoever else has not met their expectations then fair enough - some people do feel that this website is a place that they can moan. I do not agree with the negative comments about Lucinda Ellery as my experience has always been positive with her/her staff but I have to say that I did go elsewhere for consultations and advice before making my mind up about Ellery's (and it took me ages) but I felt it inappropriate to write up the negative feedback I had about the other places as they may suit other people and slagging off can be offensive! People can make their own minds up. I do not know Lucinda Ellery well - I met her for the consultation and have seen her doing her rounds at the studio since then so I am not going there for her - I am going there because her work is very good and because the bain of my life that was my hair is now something that I am extremly happy about. :bravo:

Vlal
September 28th, 2010, 06:10 AM
some people do feel that this website is a place that they can moan... I felt it inappropriate to write up the negative feedback I had about the other places as they may suit other people and slagging off can be offensive!

Firstly, I am very pleased to hear that you have found your ideal cosmetic solution and that Lucinda Ellery is able to provide you with this. :mrgreen:

However, I would like to think that there is a BIG difference between people posting their negative experiences and someone "slagging off" another person or a brand. I am sure people are intelligent enough on this and other forums to be able to read reviews, both positive and negative, and make up their mind over whether they wish to invest in a consultation with a certain hair piece maker/salon.

As for this forum being a place that people feel they can come to and moan... I think it is to be expected that some people who have lost significant amounts of hair and are feeling somewhat desperate for a cosmetic solution would come on here and "moan" because they are feeling vulnerable and cannot find what they need. If they cannot do this on here, where can they do it?

Beliza
September 28th, 2010, 12:35 PM
Well said, Vlal. I think people who discredit others' experiences by calling it "moaning" are the ones who are slagging off. Inappropriate indeed!

cathymonks
October 5th, 2010, 08:09 AM
WOW - I think I need to wear a bullet proof vest whilst writing MY opinion on Lucinda Ellery. I have been a client of theirs for 9 years. I have had extensions followed by the Volumiser and now use the Interlace. That poor girl that said she had a nice consultation will probably never comment on here again!! Take it easy guys - we are all entitled to write as we find wether its good or bad. I have been a happy client of Lucinda Ellery for many years and I will keep going there for as long as I can. I am sure that there are some cowboys around in the hair replacement/extension industry but they are professional at Lucinda Ellery. I might be getting on in years but I've met enough dodgy people in my time to know them when I see them and Ellery is far from it - I like her, I like her sons, her daughter and her staff. My Pal is an active member of this forum and told me the mixed comments that are on here about Lucinda so thats why I joined. Don't shoot me please - I speak as I find. Cathy.

Beliza
October 5th, 2010, 08:37 AM
You're turning the argument around. The last couple posters that gave positive reviews, have expressed criticism towards negative reviews. The response to them was about discrediting, not about their positive reviews. Of course, if you start saying messages here are written by LE's competitors, you'll bound to hear that you are a LE sales rep. I don't see how a LE sales rep can be "poor".

Vlal
October 5th, 2010, 02:37 PM
I find it interesting and mildly amusing that most people who are speaking in favour of LE and her salon are people who have barely posted a thing before. ;)

Glad to hear the salon is working well for you Cathy :) .

cathymonks
October 12th, 2010, 05:18 AM
I am going to ask them if I can work for them as a Sales Rep - I didn't realise that was an option? Sounds like a good job to me. :jump:

Joanne D
October 26th, 2010, 06:33 AM
Hi All
I am in the later stages of my pregnancy and my hair is growing really well????? Has anyone else had the same thing happen during their pregnancy and what is the outcome normally? I have always had a problem area around the front hair line and sides but I was at Lucinda ellery last week for an adjustment and the technician mentioned that my hair was growing really well underneath the system so I had a look before she adjusted it for me and I couldn't believe it - will the hair stay or is this usually a temporary thing???
Please let me know if anyone has had a similar experience....
Jo D

cathymonks
November 16th, 2010, 05:56 AM
Hi Joanne D

Congrats on pregnancy and hope all is going well! I am approaching 60 so my kids are grown up but I do remember when pregnant with my first son that my hair did improve. Mine is a genetic problem so although the hair seemed to thicken slightly when I was pregnant it didn't last.
I don't know if you are going to Lucinda Ellery in London or Manchester? I have just swapped some appointments to Manchester. Maybe we will bump into each other during appointments but in the mean time good luck with the pregnancy.

best
Cathy

mel
November 17th, 2010, 04:17 PM
I joined this site just to leave some feedback on lucinda, i have been a client and friend of lucinda's for nearly 8months now, she is such an amazing person and excellent business women, she has transformed me as a person, all her staff in manchester and london as very professional and made each and every visit a relaxed and enjoyable one. i took part in the documentary that was aired on channel 4 about TTM and i did the interview on GMTV with lucinda. lucinda has made so much awareness to many different conditions with hair that have been ignored and never before been brought to publics attention. i personally adore lucinda and find her such an inspiration to me and everything she does is purely selfless.

Patches1
November 17th, 2010, 05:33 PM
The original poster did ask for feedback that was good or bad, so I have a bit of both (although maybe no longer relevant to the original as it was some time ago now), but incase anyone just wants to read. I went to LE for about 2 years and yes, she is a lovely person and she does understand alopecia (she is a sufferer herself), she did transform my life - she got me out of wearing a wig after 7 long years and she started me on the route with extensions and Fullmore. I still use both, but I may have to return to a wig as my AA has got a little worse since I ditched the wigs 5 years ago. I stopped going to LE about 3 years ago and now get my extensions done locally.

The reason I stopped going to LE is because the standard of service was appalling and the costs were extortionate. The extensions themselves were poor quality and not fitted correctly. They were lasting about 4 weeks (my current ones last 12). I don't know what they were bonded with, but I can only describe it as chewing gum. Basically, with LE it is a production line - she employs cheap foreign labour and buys cheap hair and charges a fortune for it. The customer is ALWAYS wrong. I was continuously accused of not caring for the extensions properly and it was never their fault. Considering I have had absolutely NO problems with my current extensions and they way they are fitted, and have not changed in my level of care for them, I can only conclude it was not my fault in the past when I was a client of LE.

My feedback to anyone considering LE is be VERY wary. Try it for yourself, but trust your instincts and remember she may be nice and sympathetic, but she's in it for the money. I personally wouldn't recommend them, but she did get me out of the wigs, for which I will be ever grateful.

Vlal
November 18th, 2010, 06:36 AM
Interesting post Patches1. Thanks for the information. See how there is often a good side to the bad! What you and mel have said is basically a good summation of what I have read online... there seem to be some people who really love her and her services and other people for whom her services did not work for whatever reason -cost/quality/customer service issues.

Regarding the actual extensions - that really doesn't sound very good at all. I was doing a lot of research into remy wefts recently (for reasons other than getting extensions) and I ended up on several forums that are for hair stylists who provide extensions. Consequently I was reading what they were saying about extensions, quality, fitting, longevity, customer care etc. What you have said about the longevity and blaming the client really seems to go against the grain of what should be "normal" practice. If you pay top dollar for extensions the quality of the actual hair should reflect that.

cathymonks
November 23rd, 2010, 04:22 AM
Mel

I missed the Documentary but read about it on the Lucinda Ellery newsletter so then watched the video on her website. Well done you - I thought you were brill. Your hair looked great too so I hope everything is going well for you. I share your feelings about Lucinda - she is quite special.

Cathy :bravo:

colline
November 29th, 2010, 01:54 PM
Was it good or bad then LC? What did you have done and how much was it?

Joanne D
January 12th, 2011, 04:05 AM
I have the intralace system which is for those of us with thinning hAir or hair loss in general although they do other things there so you would need to speak to them about what would be best for you. I got costs written out for me at the consultation but if you phone them and explain about your hair then they will give you an idea of cost.
Joanne d

Joanne D
January 31st, 2011, 12:36 PM
Hi mel

Not sure if your still active on this forum but I just read your story in the newsletter at Lucinda's and you must be really pleased. Congrats and hope everything goes well for you. My hair loss is different and will be long term but it is great to hear a happy ending:)
Happy hair days!!!
Joanne xxxxxxxx xx

Madamem
December 6th, 2011, 02:14 PM
I had a negative experience here. I found Lucinda to be a bit barmy talking about auras etc. I wasn't particularly happy with the hair and found the staff were always rushed. I remember telling one of the stylists I didn't like my hair and she just walked away. When I left I found 2 curlers in my hair. I have Tricho and it's a very deep rooted problem(!). She once told me that she never loses track of her Tricho girls. Once I stopped going I never heard from her again. She recommends all sorts of stuff like hypnotherapy which a few years back was £75 a pop. I was provided with a free CD with relaxation techniques which the hypnotherapist asked back once it was clear i wasn't going to make an appt. That on top of the huge cost for synthetic hair was just too much. As for belly dancing? Really not my thing. I find it outrageous that she charges for a 'Consultation' when all she is doing is promoting her hair systems. I could go on and on. The long and the short of it is I still have Tricho worse than ever and all this has left a nasty taste in my mouth. No wonder she drives an Aston Martin.

Pirategirl
December 11th, 2011, 05:48 AM
hi girls,

this is my first post here, I'm very interested and slightly disappointed in all the negative comments about LE, as I am intending to commit to a hair integration system with them in a month or so...

I did a fair amount of research on alternative places and visited 3 in all, but LE seems to fit my requirements best of all, apart from the huge cost of course...

but now with all the comments, I'm more worried than I was!

Vlal
December 11th, 2011, 11:47 AM
I would be cautious. I know women who don't belong to this forum who have used LE and had negative experiences also. :( Depending on where your HL is, have you thought about bonding? Or other options?

Pirategirl
December 14th, 2011, 05:51 AM
Hi there and thank you for your post ;-)

I don't have enough coverage for successful bonding, and I've been to a London Salon to try toppers, but for me personally, the idea of taking something off at the end of the night would defeat the object. I don't want to look at my dreadful scalp and be reminded daily what a state I'm in, also don't want husband to have a fabulous looking wife during the day and then a shocker at night! (and believe me, when I've got a lace front hairline placed on me, the difference for me is just incredible!)

I'm committed to at least trying hair integration for a while to see what it's like, it's just a shame there is so much controversy surrounding it all. I'd love to hear from people who have had a good experience there ;-)

Vlal
December 14th, 2011, 08:57 AM
I don't have enough coverage for successful bonding, and I've been to a London Salon to try toppers, but for me personally, the idea of taking something off at the end of the night would defeat the object. I don't want to look at my dreadful scalp and be reminded daily what a state I'm in, also don't want husband to have a fabulous looking wife during the day and then a shocker at night! (and believe me, when I've got a lace front hairline placed on me, the difference for me is just incredible!)



I meant a full lace wig that you can bond yourself and wear all the time - night and day. So I am not sure what you mean about enough coverage - it would cover your entire scalp. Depending on who you bought the wig from, it would probably be cheaper and you would have control over it. There are also some women on here who wear bonded toppers - their husbands never see their heads either as it is stuck down on their head (that's what the bonded part means... it is stuck using glue or tape or both). :) Wigs and toppers that are not bonded are the ones that you take off each evening/night.

P.S. The wig in my profile pic/avatar is a full lace wig that I bought myself and bonded myself... so I do understand how nice a hairline one can achieve with full lace and lace front wigs.

Pirategirl
December 14th, 2011, 03:27 PM
Hi there,
I wouldn't have the first clue how to bond my own wig on, and how to get the right sort of wig for me. Also then presumably you still need to go to a hairdresser to get it cut and styled? I have a fear of hairdressers at the moment.... And then does it get bonded onto the existing hair on your head? Although my hair is extremely fine, I still have it all over.

I love that piccy, is it really you?

Vlal
December 14th, 2011, 04:17 PM
Yes that's me and a full lace wig.

You can learn how to do it. There are other posts on this forum where members are interested in learning or who have learnt and relate their experiences. I learnt from doing lots of research and watching You Tube videos. Hair Direct (online company based in the US) has a forum that is very helpful also.

With the bonding - it depends whether you opted for a topper or a lace front or a full lace wig as to how you treat your own hair underneath. If you want to wear the hairpiece/wig for long periods (sleep in it), then a topper or full lace wig is a good option because the whole thing is bonded. A traditional lace front only has the front bonded and the back is like a regular wig. With a topper, most people choose to shave their own hair off to make the bonding easier although I know a couple of people who bonded onto their hair. If you opted for a full lace wig, you can keep your own hair underneath, but you have to figure out how to make it as flat (not bumpy/lumpy) as possible and most women who keep their own hair underneath opt to use a stocking wig cap in a flesh tone so that a. it keeps their hair protected and neat and b. it looks like scalp/skin through the wig as the stocking wig cap shows instead of their hair. The way you bond it is that you attach the wig just outside your own hairline, so you are not bonding onto your hair but onto skin. At the front hairline, I attach half onto the stocking wig cap and half onto my forehead skin (just because I find it works well for me that way).

Generally you would need to get it cut by someone, unless you bought one that was pre-cut/styled. There are some places in the UK that offer to do the bonding/application for you and from whom you can order a wig. They can be a good start to learn how to do it and to get it cut.

Some other good resources are The Lace Wig Connection and Black Hair Media Forum Lace Front and Lace Front Newbies sections - as these type of wigs are worn a lot by women of colour.

Hope this helps a little. It may not be something you wish to do right now or ever, but I do think it is worth looking into and researching a little if you are looking at other long-term attachment methods.

Pirategirl
December 15th, 2011, 03:15 AM
I love your profile pic, you look gorgeous ;-) Thank you for responding with so much information.

Yes I've looked at Hair Direct, but would be so worried about ordering something without seeing it first, being so new at this..I did try a topper (well i tried one that had clips all the way round which just sits comfortably on the top of my head, is that what you mean?)...but the London salon I went to didn't inspire confidence..

Re: the places that offer to do the application and where you can order wigs from, any of those near london? (Im in Hertfordshire)...

I'm not sure I would have the confidence to buy blind online, but would love the opportunity to see how simple the process 'could' be as a DIY-er before I commit to anything...x

Vlal
December 15th, 2011, 05:14 AM
I did try a topper (well i tried one that had clips all the way round which just sits comfortably on the top of my head, is that what you mean?)...but the London salon I went to didn't inspire confidence..

Re: the places that offer to do the application and where you can order wigs from, any of those near london? (Im in Hertfordshire)...

I'm not sure I would have the confidence to buy blind online, but would love the opportunity to see how simple the process 'could' be as a DIY-er before I commit to anything...x

The clip on toppers are different to the bonded toppers - I call the clip on toppers regular toppers as they mimic regular wigs, in that they are meant to be worn daily rather than 24/7 and you are not sticking them to your head with any products. The bonded toppers are very fine bases made of usually some kind of lace/mesh material that is designed to blend in with your own hair/scalp. It is stuck down at the perimeter using some adhesive tape or glue. There are no clips.

Salons in London - Afrodite is one that does the full lace wigs. Not sure about whether they do toppers. Lawnie Greasvy also does wigs and applications - http://lawnieslacewigs.blogspot.com/ - and is very sweet/helpful. There are others... you could do a google search. The thing is, I think it's easier to find salons who bond full lace wigs than toppers... not sure why! There is a place up in Yorkshire (never been there myself) who do bonded pieces: http://www.vervehairloss.co.uk/ and they start at £425.

These places are similar type of hair system (or the same one really) to LE - but might be worth asking them for a quote too:

http://volumiser.co.uk/
http://trichoalopeciasolutions.co.uk/wo ... solutions/ (http://trichoalopeciasolutions.co.uk/women-hair-solutions/)

Pirategirl
December 15th, 2011, 05:51 AM
Wow thank you for all that information.

So if you do your hairwork yourself and you buy the wigs online, AND you wear the wig always rather than take it off every night, how long does your wig last before you feel that a replacement is necessary?
Sorry if I'm asking personal questions, I hope thats ok.

I have emailed lawnies to discuss options there, thank you so much for the links. I hadn't really considered doing it myself but am certainly willing to look into it, you have given me some new (possibly cheaper) avenues to consider thank you ;-)

Vlal
December 15th, 2011, 06:16 AM
Wow thank you for all that information.

So if you do your hairwork yourself and you buy the wigs online, AND you wear the wig always rather than take it off every night, how long does your wig last before you feel that a replacement is necessary?
Sorry if I'm asking personal questions, I hope thats ok.

I have emailed lawnies to discuss options there, thank you so much for the links. I hadn't really considered doing it myself but am certainly willing to look into it, you have given me some new (possibly cheaper) avenues to consider thank you ;-)

I am not wearing a bonded one at the moment - for various reasons including health issues... but ultimately because I don't feel the need to wear one 24/7 right now. However, a rough estimate would be between 2-4 months for a full lace wig depending on the hair quality (they are very variable) and also how well you look after it. If you got a topper - then probably a bit longer. One thing you must do if you wear this type of hair is to care for it properly and that means wrapping it or protecting it in some way at night or at least using a silk pillowcase and braiding it lightly (it it's longer). Lawnie would definitely be able to advise on that and show you how to prepare for sleeping in it.

I do think it is at least worth considering the cheaper options even if that is just to rule them out. Having some control over it is good, as you are not dependant on the salon all the time and even if you started by getting applications done by a salon, you at least have the option to progress at a later date towards doing it yourself if you wanted. I know some ladies who choose salon over home-based, others who always did DIY, and others who started with salon and now do it themselves. The problem with the LE type systems is that you are totally reliant at all times on them to maintain the system's security/attachment to your head and later on, you may find that expensive and rather restrictive.

Of course the upside of having a salon who organises it all is that you don't have to think about it in the same way that you would when maintaining it yourself and the onus is on them. But that is also assuming that the salon actually provide you with what you expected/wanted and that the hair performs as it should do - which is not always the case. I can see the advantages and disadvantages to both ways... and I sometimes think that our preferences change as time goes on too or our circumstances change.

Pirategirl
December 15th, 2011, 03:18 PM
Thank you for that.

I've been reading through the details on the trichoalopeciasolutions.co.uk website but the english is so appalling! It sounds like a similar setup to LE, but I'm initially concerned with the amount of care they've taken to put all their important target information together, looks so sloppy! I'd be wondering if their service is the same :-(

The volumiser website is very interesting, I have emailed them initially to ask if they do natural front hairlines (a must for me ;-) and also still waiting to hear back from lawnie too ;-)

And yes I think you are right, I may end up at LE for a while to start off under some rigid care and guidance, and once I get into the swing of things and learn more about it, then transfer to a different format. That's if these 2 emails don't pan out ;-)

Can't wait to get some replies!
x

Vlal
December 15th, 2011, 03:43 PM
Thank you for that.

I've been reading through the details on the trichoalopeciasolutions.co.uk website but the english is so appalling! It sounds like a similar setup to LE, but I'm initially concerned with the amount of care they've taken to put all their important target information together, looks so sloppy! I'd be wondering if their service is the same :-(



I think, not that this excuses it at all, that the lady may be Spanish or some other non-English mother tongue origin. :dunno: I agree - it's not a good impression to create.


The volumiser website is very interesting, I have emailed them initially to ask if they do natural front hairlines (a must for me ;-) and also still waiting to hear back from lawnie too ;-)

I hope you hear back from them. There are some others out there. I remember a long time ago somehow finding a site that was for a business providing similar pieces/services to LE - the lady who ran it had actually worked for LE for some years and finally left and set up her own business. I can't remember the website addres, but I am sure she was based in London.

Pirategirl
December 20th, 2011, 04:14 AM
No response yet :-( Have contacted them both again.

Vlal
December 20th, 2011, 06:32 AM
Is there any phone numbers for them? You might get more luck by calling and asking for information. You can also suss them out a bit - you can tell a lot by talking on the phone (hearing their voices etc!) I think! ;)

Pirategirl
December 26th, 2011, 11:22 AM
Hi there, sorry for the delay, christmas, channukah and wotnot ;-)

Yes will give them both a call in the New Year, thank you! ;-) xxx

Pirategirl
January 4th, 2012, 09:00 AM
Hmm Interesting, I've been trying to email the Volumiser website and heard nothing back, and I just tried calling both their numbers and they are not working! How weird is that?! Has anyone else had any dealings with http://www.volumiser.co.uk lately?

Vlal
January 4th, 2012, 10:20 AM
Hmm Interesting, I've been trying to email the Volumiser website and heard nothing back, and I just tried calling both their numbers and they are not working! How weird is that?! Has anyone else had any dealings with http://www.volumiser.co.uk lately?

Wow that is really weird! Maybe these places are going out of business?! :shock:

Vlal
January 4th, 2012, 10:39 AM
I have had a look for more options for you (all untested mind you!) -

http://www.juliefrenchstyle.co.uk/treat ... ondon.html (http://www.juliefrenchstyle.co.uk/treatment-for-thinning-hair-London.html)

http://www.empowerhair.com/volumizer_ha ... onials.php (http://www.empowerhair.com/volumizer_hair_systems_testimonials.php)

http://www.hair-solved.com/

I would definitely get quotes of any of that you can get in touch with as I am sure there must be variable costs due to the location of some of these salons (central London etc).

Vlal
January 4th, 2012, 10:58 AM
More..

http://www.the-internet-pages.co.uk/eng ... 1/bhc1.htm (http://www.the-internet-pages.co.uk/england/send/hair1/bhc1.htm)

http://www.bellesimage.com/serviceshair.php

http://www.image-design-studio.co.uk/index.asp

http://www.mobile-extensions.co.uk/11.html

JulieK
January 4th, 2012, 01:23 PM
...and there's also Mark Glenn Hair Enhancement in Mayfair, London:

http://www.markglenn.com

Some amazing videos of their Kinsey System on YouTube:

http://youtu.be/voo6GTFVcqI

http://youtu.be/THfY0IRAeeE

I settled on the guys at Mark Glenn who have changed my life, but I'd recommend you do as I did, check out a few and go with the one that feels best.

For some, a cheaper alternative is Nanogen (the hair in a jar stuff - there's also others like Toppik) which I also tried as a temporary cover-up. Its a bit messy but does the job if your hair suits it for special occasions.

Jx

eton17
January 4th, 2012, 01:30 PM
I joined the site today after googling for info on lucinda ellery.
I have female pattern baldness. it started 20 years ago and i have tried minoxodil but didnt have much success so stopped after a couple of years.
my condition seemed to stay the same for a few years then slowly got worse and the past year has seen a big difference.
I feel i have to do something about it as it is always on my mind. i am using fusion at the moemnt which is a powder that you puff on but although it reduces the shine on my parting it doesnt disguise the rest of my thinning crown.
I dont have a large income and no savings so i will have to struggle to raise the money but this year is the year i am going to do it.
After reading all the posts on here about lucinda ellery it seems its horses for courses and whatever suits then stick with it.
I will be shopping around to get the best system for the cheapest price, so any tips would be very much appreciated. great to have found this site i feel better already.
I am 56 years old ( yesterday was my birthday ) and its now or never.
cheers

Pirategirl
January 4th, 2012, 01:45 PM
Thank you for all of those, am definitely interested in Empower, not sure why but the bigger looking websites are more of a draw for me than the little mobile salons, but that might just be because this is all new to me and I feel like I want to be under a salon to begin with...

thanks again for all that, its almost time for me to jump in ;-) x

Pirategirl
January 4th, 2012, 02:09 PM
Ooo Julie,
thanks for those even newer additions to the list of hair integration suppliers;-) after some more research I've decided that the hair integration IS the way for me as I really want to keep the system booted to my head permanently, rather than having a hairpiece that I remove after a few weeks... so after all that new info I'm now going to book an appointment and go see Empower and Mark Glenn as they are both in London, and see if they can't top Lucinda Ellery (see what I did there?)...wish me luck ;-))

Hi Eton nice to 'meet' you..I have had diffuse thinning since I was a teenager and I'm 43 now (sigh)...also on a budget but feeling that this is the year I go for it and make a HUGE change to my personal wellbeing! :-) I have applied for NHS funding and go to appeal sometime this month..either way I've GOT to do it. ;-)

cassie
January 4th, 2012, 04:23 PM
Hi all
I have a lace integration system fitted 6 months ago at a Yorkshire salon called Verve, & I love it. I'd be wary of 'Empower' as they were 'Whitecliffs' originally (had bad reputation & went out of business).
Having lace integration does mean relying on the salon for maintenance but being able to wear hair 24/7 is fantastic. It looks so natural & has given me my life back.

Vlal
January 4th, 2012, 04:40 PM
Cassie - thanks for the feedback about empower. Useful!

Regarding mobile and small salons - I personally don't think it necessarily means they are bad (or that they are good..) or that they offer a lesser service. Sometimes they are set up by people who have previously worked for LE or MG or other well known large salons. I remember reading a couple of times before about women who had worked for LE for some years and later gone on to set up a small salon by themselves. Just like you get people who have worked in hair salons for years and later on go and set their own salon up.

Pirategirl
January 5th, 2012, 02:42 AM
Hi Cassie and Annemarie,

I didn't know Empower were originally Whitecliffs, yes read a lot about Whitecliffs in the forums...hmmm I wonder if anyone here uses Empower and loves it?

Yes Vval you are totally right of course ;-)

AnneMarie, whats the difference between the LE hair system (which I understand having visited them for a consult) and the system you use now which you do yourself? Is it not hair integration?

So perhaps it might be sensible for me to skip Empower and just try Mark Glenn then...

eton17
January 5th, 2012, 01:37 PM
Anne marie, could you tell me what system you have in place now and how different it is from the ones done in le or emplower. thanks for advice .
thanks Linda x

eton17
January 5th, 2012, 05:41 PM
AnnMarie
you look fabulous. I am amazed. Where did you get your system from. have i misread your post i think you said you designed your system yourself !! I am at the point where i need to do something but dont know what . I just can't get my head around it all.
i dont know what to do at the moment i am using xfusion powder but i need something else. £3000 is just too much for me so looking for a genuine realistic system but at a good price.
cheers linda

Pirategirl
January 6th, 2012, 02:42 AM
Annemarie your system looks amazing! I have a few questions now ;-)
1. Can you tell me why Mark Glenn thought you were unsuitable for an integration system? If you don't mind sharing that is ;-)

2. How long do you keep your hair on before you have to take it off for maintenance.

3. How long does the hairpiece last before you have to throw it away?

Vlal
January 6th, 2012, 06:00 AM
One thing I noticed - which Annemarie pointed out - when I looked at a video on YouTube of the type of "systems" that the hair replacement system salons use is that they seem incredibly bumpy/lumpy (all the connections and extensiony bits) and the mesh base does not lay very flat to the head like a lace wig or lace topper would (seemed a bit rumpled!). I can't see how one could date or be in a relationship without the other person knowing you are wearing it (not that I mind, but I know that it is a consideration for a lot of women).

Pirategirl
January 6th, 2012, 06:11 AM
Hi Vlal,

yes I agree actually, both the hair intetration systems I have been shown at Hair Solved in Barnet and LE in London all looked a little bumpy, but as I don't know any different I just accepted it. So in comparison you are saying that the wig method (which is lace and hair attached) is much smoother am I right?

Also my main confusion is this...I DO have very curly hair all over my scalp, but it is very fine. Do I have to cover my own hair with something before a hairpiece goes on? And also with a gorgeous lace front like yours, can I stick the lace front to my existing hair line even if there is hair there? Or do I need to shave it first? (which Im willing to do at this point).

I also went to the Hair Direct Forum hoping to at least see a video of a female putting on a full lace wig,, but there's nothing there..would be so good to be able to actually see how easy it is, and take the mystery out of it.

Ok so I've finally found some videos that show the putting on process for girlies http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUjfT47bVTw for example...is this what you girls are doing then? It looks so simple but I have a few questions.

A) a lot of time is spent on the front of the hair, but what happens at the back? When I've worn normal wigs in the past I have always found then to be too loose at the back of my head so there's lots of movement. If you wear a lace front wig, whats to stop the back slipping around?

B) do these sorts of wigs keep their shape and curls after weeks of wear?

x

Pirategirl
January 6th, 2012, 04:22 PM
Thank you so much for your honest answers ;-) I have been astonished to find all these utube videos about girls doing their own lace front wig applications, amazing to see and such an eye opener. All of a sudden I'm thinking that LE is perhaps NOT the ONLY way forward for me. I'm very excited about all of this, there are so many beautiful wigs out there! Must watch more... ;-)

lolly123
January 7th, 2012, 11:29 AM
I went for my consultation with Lucinda Ellery yesterday, i thought she was lovely. I was impressed with the before and after pics she showed me. It is very costly but its good to know that option is there if i can save. Ive been looking into wigs now, my friend and I are going to have a look on the internet tonight for lacefront human hair wigs. Any feedback on the Jon Renau wigs? they look so natural. Im new at this a never worn a wig before, just want the most natural looking I can find :)

Pirategirl
January 8th, 2012, 03:37 PM
Hi Lolly,

ah I never met Lucinda, I met her son though and he was great ;-)
I was feeling the LE was the right move for me, however, the cost is just so enormous I've been feeling very worried about it.
However, now I'm moving away from the idea of LE and moving more towards other simpler lace systems, I can't justify the costs that I will incur at LE unfortunately.

The whole lacefront hair wig thing is an utter amazement to me, I've been so excited watching all the vids on how much simpler and cheaper it is.

I'm going to be jumping into some sort of wig in the next few weeks/months, I can feel it ;-)

lolly123
January 12th, 2012, 01:44 PM
Hi pirategirl,

Its times like this i wish i was loaded and could afford these amazing solutions. Ive been tallying it all up and it is going to cost a fortune to go down the LE route. I just loved the idea of not having to deal with the hl everyday, with the hair being a permanent. The lace wigs do look great though. I too feel i will be moving towards buying a wig soon. Keep me updated, scary!!!

Pirategirl
January 13th, 2012, 03:00 AM
Hi Lolly,

you know what Lolly? Talking to the girls here on this forum has been a life changing eye opener for me ;) Going down the LE route I was looking at at least £1,800 per year, plus all the travel costs down into London, was all too much. I think it's a wonderful choice if money is not an option I really do, the salon is beautiful and I'm sure the product is great (the lace front looked fabulous).

But you know, with these wigs, you CAN treat it like normal hair (so I believe anyway) and keep it on for weeks at a time ;-) and order it from the comfort of your own home (or go to a wig salon). I've got an appointment booked at a lace wig salon in london for a consultation in one week, and I also just went crazy and ordered my first lace front wig off the net too! (didn't realise it takes a month to arrive though)..Once I have it, I will post close up photos to show you (can we do that here? haven't worked it out yet :-) The other thing is, presumably if you wear lace front wigs (or any wigs) you could alternate them at will, so you could have dark short and straight one day, and blond, long and curly the next!

(Oh god. I hope this lace front thing IS as good as it sounds otherwise I'm going to be leaving feedback that makes all this posting look really naive.) :woot:

Vlal
January 13th, 2012, 07:15 AM
Once I have it, I will post close up photos to show you (can we do that here? haven't worked it out yet :-)

Yes you can. When you are posting or reply to a post, look under the "submit" button. You will see Filename, choose - click on choose and it will open up a little window to show your computer files. You can pick the one you want to add and click "Add the file" to add it. Just don't try and upload giant pics - it won't work if they are too large files. You can make them smaller or crop them (if you need to) on Picresize.com.


Oh god. I hope this lace front thing IS as good as it sounds otherwise I'm going to be leaving feedback that makes all this posting look really naive.) :woot:

Did you order a FLW or a LF? A LF is more suitable for daily wear as the back doesn't need to be bonded. It is a good wig to start with going down the bonded route as you can concentrate on bonding the front hairline really well. Sometimes it takes a while to get the right order specifications with these full lace and lace front wigs - density is a big factor I find.

Pirategirl
January 13th, 2012, 07:39 AM
hi honey ;-)
I ordered a lace front wig as a trial option but I will also be ordering a lace front (via our PM) AND seeing what happens at my lace wig appointment in London next week. I want to have one of each (lfw AND lf) so I can practice with both. I ordered the lace front wig more or less exactly to the spec you gave me via email ;-). The only thing I couldn't be sure about is the colour, but hopefully soon I will get my hands on a wee colour ring so I can get a better idea and if I'm wildly out I'll see if they will amend my order. ;-)

I'm assuming that the back on a lace front wig doesnt have to be bonded? Dont they just fit snugly or have clips or anything? Hadn't given the back much thought, I keep forgetting about that bit.

Vlal
January 13th, 2012, 11:30 AM
Hi Just to clarify costs here - dates 2006 for me 9x9" intralace volumiser:
1st fitting £1850 - mine took 9 hours!
(return after 3 days "first wash" (to teach you how to dry the thing with a nozzled hair dryer to cover the joins) - travel and parking in London)
6 weeks £180
6 weeks £180
6 weeks £180
£580 - 5 hours (new parting and the thing is taken off and re-alligned)
6 weeks £180
6 weeks £180
6 weeks £180
£580 - 5 hours (new parting and the thing is taken off and re-alligned)

So to even get you first the year you will need to pay £3970.I also needed to be saving for the next new one at the base cost of £1850 as they last 18 -24 months.
So I should be saving £101 a month on top.

So for me if worked out at £431 a month and I have not included the extra days I had to go in (they did put things right for free to be fair) but it was time travel and cost again.
I just post this as at the time of having it all done I was desperate and just didn't think it through or appreciate the true costs.

Annemarie - you literally nearly had me falling off my chair! :shock: I don't know whether to laugh or cry... it's just crazy! 9 hours in a chair :freaked2: The cost is just phenomenal and I can't imagine that the 'average' Jane could afford that long-term in this financial climate. I completely understand how people get sucked into having one fitted though, because if you don't know any differently and are in a tough HL situation, I am sure it seems like the perfect option - especially as all the hard work of fitting it etc is done by them. What kind of hair was the hair used for that price?

Vlal
January 13th, 2012, 11:37 AM
I'm assuming that the back on a lace front wig doesnt have to be bonded? Dont they just fit snugly or have clips or anything? Hadn't given the back much thought, I keep forgetting about that bit.

The back usually has some kind of adjustable element - adjustable straps (like bras straps in miniature). Then there may be a comb (like a wire or plastic zig-zag type one) that you can push into your own hair (if you have some left) or wedge into a stocking wig cap (if you are wearing one). Snap combs are not usually included, but you can buy those - they are the same as extension clips - and sew them on yourself.

Snug fit depends on whether it is stock or custom. With custom it depends on you having gotten your measurements or mould correct and then the manufacturer/wig maker managing to make a cap really snugly off that. With stock, it depends whether you have an average small, medium or large head. If you are unfortunate to fall between sizes or to have some measurements that are one size and some that are another size (which happens sometimes) then it is less hard to achieve in stock wigs of any kind. It doesn't matter quite so much with LF I find, but with FLW it can be a big pain if the sizing is 'off' as they are designed to fit like a glove and work best (bond best) when they fit properly. One of the hardest things about a FLW is getting the nape bonded successfully - they have a tendency to unstick/ride up as this is the part of your head that gets the most movement (due to your neck). It depends what adhesive is used also.

Pirategirl
January 14th, 2012, 07:18 AM
k many thanks for the info ;-)

lolly123
January 16th, 2012, 02:50 PM
Wow Annemarie- knew it would be expensive, but £4000 a year- not a chance!!!! I just cant afford that kind of money :(

Pirategirl please let me know and keep me updated, would love to know how you get on :)

Pirategirl
January 16th, 2012, 03:05 PM
I'm counting the hours! ;-)

Vlal
January 16th, 2012, 03:20 PM
Wow Annemarie- knew it would be expensive, but £4000 a year- not a chance!!!! I just cant afford that kind of money :(



You could get a nice VEHH wig or topper for half that price or less, that will last for at least a couple of years. The only difference (which to some people is a big difference) is that you can't sleep in it and it's not bonded or attached in the LE manner.

lolly123
January 16th, 2012, 03:32 PM
I do think that is what you pay for though, the ability to forget about the hl. Though I thought you can sleep in some bonded wigs? That's def the route I would want to go, bond for as long as possible. :). Pirategirl- if you don't mind me asking, where have you purchased your online wig from?

Pirategirl
January 16th, 2012, 04:17 PM
I bought my wig from here:

http://www.lacewigsbuy.com/lace-front-w ... b0310.html (http://www.lacewigsbuy.com/lace-front-wigs-indian-remy-human-hair-wave-wigs-14-2-lb0310.html)

I've no idea what the quality is, but I'm now on a fact finding mission so am willing to get it wrong a bit, in order to find the right way for me ;-)
Will give informed post once I've attached it to my elbow ;-)

lolly123
January 17th, 2012, 11:24 AM
Hi annemarie, just checked out the trevorsorbie site, really good to know there are a few salons in my area that cut and style wigs. My best friend has been my hairdresser for years, but not that i have let her near me in the last year. But she knows how I like my hair so that is a great plus, she could always come with to these salons who are specially trained for cutting wigs and learn through them :)

Pirategirl- looks lovely, I love the wave. Ekkk im excited for you!!

Vlal
January 17th, 2012, 11:53 AM
she could always come with to these salons who are specially trained for cutting wigs and learn through them :)



Or she could apply to train herself under TS's initiative. ;)

lolly123
January 18th, 2012, 01:15 AM
Vlal- that would be ideal, I'm sure she would try anything to help me :). I've been looking at so many wig sites, there is so much choice. When ordering custom, what density do you normally choose?

Joanne D
January 18th, 2012, 04:49 AM
Hi all

I think having the list of costs written out like that is scary!! I have been a Lucinda Ellery client for a while now and was fully aware of the costs that would be involved as it was all written down in black and white at the consultation so I had to work out if it would suit me in the long term as my hair loss is forever. So far I have not had any suprises. My adjustment is normally 1 hour and 20 minutes and I can manage to stretch them to every 8 weeks so I usually pay £135 every 8 weeks with the exception of when I need a realignment (not very often, not much hair;) or when I need a new parting. If people are not made aware of the costs at the consultation then that is misleading but I was so I knew what I was in for. I know there tends to be quite a bit of negative feedback on here about Lucinda Ellery which really does suprise me because as a client I have always felt very looked after and I have always found them to be very nice people!! Lucinda always seems to be there and she has something to say to everyone. it is a great atmosphere and the studios are lovely but I know its not cheap. I am sure its the same for every woman but my hair is really really important to me. I did plenty of research before I took the plunge and went with the intralace system. I would not be confident to maintain a wig or put it on in the correct way so it suits me to have someone else do everything for me. I do admire those that can maintain things themselves and Vlal looks fantastic - her hair is beautiful. Sometimes the commitment to going to London is a bit of a drag but I feel so good after my appointments that its worth it. I hope you all find the right way forward with your hair as it is a great feeling to not have to worry and just get on with life. I don't feel indebted to Lucinda Ellery - I just am happy to use their services. THey do what I want and I pay them!!

Pirategirl
January 19th, 2012, 02:51 AM
HI Joanne,

I'm glad you love LE, I loved my consultation there ;-)

My quote at LE was £1895 for the initial system and then an average of £2152.50 per year, (not £1,800 as I previously thought), and thats not including all the travel into London, so unfortunately for me, the cost was just prohibitive.

If I had more financial security I'd so have tried it though ;-)

andie02
January 19th, 2012, 05:55 AM
Hi everyone I am new on here and I have read with interest the many comments posted here about L E and as a former client I feel that I must post my feelings about them. Initially, I too thought there was no one else providing this service.

If you are thinking of going to L E then soooooo DON’T !!!!!! The ‘plush’ surroundings and the ‘so called’ celebrity clients may take you in., who do you really think is paying for all the niceties? YOU ARE!!! With the high costs that they charge.
Do you really want to sit there for hours and hours and hours and pay through the nose – a fortune – for the privilege? There is absolutely no need to!!. They ( the Family, Lucinda the two sons and the daughter ) may appear all smiley and nicey nicey but at the end of the day all they are concerned about is extracting as much money as possible from you, the client, in any way they can.You who is vulnerable with a sensitive personal problem suffering from hair loss, so ‘buyer beware’. When problems arise, and they do, they are ‘ALWAYS RIGHT’ and you, the client, is ‘ALWAYS WRONG’ no matter what! They use poor quality hair but charge top quality prices, which when washed, over time may knot & tangle, resulting in the need for replacement hair!. Why have your system left on for as long as 6 months, being continually tightened on the same strands of hair which hold your system in place, when you can have it removed entirely and replaced quickly at every maintenance appointment which also includes, if you wish, having your own hair washed, which is lovely. Your system is then replaced having undergone a deep conditioning treatment and then re-attached with different strands of your own hair thereby reducing further potential damage to it. Continually having your system tightened over the 6 months period is horrendous with lots of matting occurring of your own hair underneath which can become smelly and uncomfortable, so having it taken off at every appointment is so much better and less stress caused on your head and hair.
If you require an excellent professional service, with ‘no frills’ at a much more ‘realistic’ price, in complete privacy then I would suggest you try Graham at Bloomsbury’s of London.( the London Hair Clinic-for men) They really know what they are doing there and your replacement system is ‘custom made’ to ‘fit’ your head comfortably without you having to sit there for hours and hours. It will not be a rectangular piece of mesh, that has been scrunched and ‘tried’ to be made to fit an oval shaped head. Graham is a member of the Trichological Society, something that L.E are not. I have the same member of staff dealing with my hair at each visit, just like you would expect from a normal high street hairdresser, she trims and colours my hair as necessary and I do not face a huge bill for this service, unlike L E. Also Bloomsbury’s do not charge for a consultation unlike L E who charge and do not give you a refund on your chosen system .
Even though Bloomsbury’s are based in London, because the service there is much quicker, and some evenings they work late, a tip is if possible to book an afternoon appointment and take advantage of cheaper train prices by booking in advance and ‘off peak’, this can reduce your costs considerably which is not possible at L E if you have a lengthy appointment. Bloomsbury’s are approximately a 20 minute walk from St Pancras Station.

If I can prevent just 1 person from having to endure the problems I have encounted and the massive expense at ELLERY’s, then the time taken to post my comments will be worth it ( I have not gone into details with the problems I have had with L E, but there has been many ). After all LE have been providing this service for a very very very long time and by now you would expect them to have got it right and offer a better service, product and price. If you have a complaint about them you are unable to complain to a professional ‘body’ as they are not a member of one! As you can see from earlier comments of people attempting to recover their money, LE think they are a law unto themselves.
To fellow hair loss sufferers who are happy at L E and willing to pay their prices and enjoy their 5* surroundings, I wish you all well.

Pirategirl
January 19th, 2012, 07:04 AM
Hi Andie,

thank you for that, is always interesting to hear everyone else's opinion ;-)

I was just talking about Bloomsburys with another member earlier, I did go to Bloomsburys for a consultation and came away feeling very clearly that it wasn't the place for me. There were lots of reasons why (which I won't mention here because I'm not sure it's fair) but basically my first impressions at the salon were not inspiring to say the least.

Also they only do really straight hair and when I asked about curly he started really putting down curly hair as problematic, tangly, difficult, awkward.

Overall I think that Graham's manner and approach were sensitive and professional, the hair he showed me looked lovely and I have to say that the sample he showed me fitted nicely and comfortably, so I do feel that the product is great, regardless of my other impressions.

I'm glad that Bloomsburys works for you, I think if I was naturally straight haired I would have been able to possibly put aside my doubts, however, personally I have to find a curly solution ;-)

Vlal
January 19th, 2012, 07:40 AM
Vlal- that would be ideal, I'm sure she would try anything to help me :). I've been looking at so many wig sites, there is so much choice. When ordering custom, what density do you normally choose?

It depends on what you are trying to achieve in terms of style. I want less than most people on the top and crown (I can't do volume and pouff up there) so I tend to opt for a lighter density than the average Jane. The one I have on in the avatar pic was light-medium. To me that was a lot of hair! If I re-ordered it from the same vendor, I would order it with less hair - I would ask for medium or light-medium throughout the sides and back and then light on the top so I could get a nice flat less pouffy density. I would ask that the part line be tight though as light density does not usually give a tight part (so I might send a mould with a marking of where I want the part line to be) and opt for a fixed part line. That means they might have to put a higher density where my part line was (to make it tight) and all around it on the vertex be light (as the hair is long, it covers over that) to stop it being too wiggy.

A good option is to go for graduated density at the front hairline as most people have naturally less hair there and you wouldn't want a really thick hairline there. So you might want to do 1 inch around the edge of lighter density graduating to light-medium on the rest of the wig. The best thing to do, IMO, is to order one with what you think you want and then once you have tried that (as like a baseline) you will soon know whether to go up or down in hair density either over the whole wig or just certain areas.

Vlal
January 19th, 2012, 07:50 AM
If you require an excellent professional service, with ‘no frills’ at a much more ‘realistic’ price, in complete privacy then I would suggest you try Graham at Bloomsbury’s of London.( the London Hair Clinic-for men)

I am glad to hear that you have found a solution that is working for you. Sorry to hear about the nightmare with LE :thumbdown2: .

Just to keep this fair - if anyone is interested in Bloomsbury Wigs, there are threads on this forum giving feedback... here's a couple (there are more references if you search):

viewtopic.php?f=22&t=15455&hilit=bloomsbury+wigs (http://www.heralopecia.com/interact/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=15455&hilit=bloomsbury+wigs)
viewtopic.php?f=22&t=11865&hilit=+bloomsbury+wigs (http://www.heralopecia.com/interact/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=11865&hilit=+bloomsbury+wigs)

I personally know several people who had bad experiences there. As usual - with supplemental hair - some people have good experiences and some people have bad ones. It makes it very hard to decide I think! :roll:

HTH

Pirategirl
January 21st, 2012, 07:30 AM
Vlal,

sorry honey to be extra thick this morning, but what is VEHH?

x

Vlal
January 24th, 2012, 08:32 AM
Vlal,

sorry honey to be extra thick this morning, but what is VEHH?

x

Virgin European Human Hair - don't be silly... it's not a thick question. :smack:

Pirategirl
January 25th, 2012, 03:24 AM
Tee hee thanks honey, my wig appointment is tomorrow...wish me luck!
x

Vlal
January 26th, 2012, 05:21 AM
Hope it goes well! Let us know.

Pirategirl
January 26th, 2012, 02:48 PM
Just got back...utterly exhausted...knackered (and bit emotional)...
will post tomorrow when I can uncross my eyes...I am now wearing my first full lace wig, will do photos and write up tomorrow...xxxx

Vlal
January 26th, 2012, 03:52 PM
Yay! :bravo: :woot:

Pirategirl
January 27th, 2012, 03:12 AM
So yesterday I went to the salon, shlepped down to West Kensington, with my sister and mum for support. Had a consultation for different shaped full lace wigs and chose two that I loved the look of, they didn't have the curly in my length so I might order that one, but to start with I went for the wavy (have posted before and after shots here ;-)). It took about an hour and a half to fit, the girl put my own hair in a plait and then glued all the way around, twice, lifting the baby hairs, and then fitted the wig on! It was an amazing transforming, unbelievable, also more emotional that I thought.

The girl trimmed the front twice afterwards to give me more of a wispy fringe as I thought the front hairline was a bit too straight and harsh (must choose different lace base next time), and the glue is quite tight, especially around the ears, oh and I didn't sleep well on it because I was conscious of it as I turned on the (now silk) pillow, oh and my hubby isn't sure about it and my daughter wants to know where her mummy is gone, but HEY! I have a GREAT looking FULL head of hair and I bloody LOVE it! ;-)

I can see that although there are choices I would make differently next time, I'm so pleased with it, the quality of the hair is gorgeous and the colour is perfect for me. I just have to see how it holds up over the next few weeks, I don't have to wash it at home, just spray it occasionally, it should last up to 3 or 4 weeks before it starts to lift, then I go back for a first take off and wash, then theoretically I should be able to do it all again from home after that.

I will post again with an update if you like in a week or two ;-))

Lost
January 27th, 2012, 06:26 AM
Very pretty what do you mean your husbands not sure!!!! You look amazing I am so happy for you :bravo: Is this the first hair you have ever worn? I'm sure it will take some getting used to. Good-luck with it . D.

Pirategirl
January 27th, 2012, 07:48 AM
thank you so much Lost ;-)
Yeah my husband, my business partner and my 7 year old, all freaked out by it lol. what do they know? Yes this is the first lace wig I've ever worn ;-)

Lost
January 27th, 2012, 08:12 AM
Oh trust me they will all get used to it! Just goes to show you your husband is in love with you he could see right past your hair and I think thats a loving man!! ;) again AMAZING!! Did you cover your hair before at all before? I use concealer long my part and front my sides and back are fine just finer,floaty hair. D.

Pirategirl
January 27th, 2012, 08:43 AM
Hi Lost, re: hubby, yeah if you say so :-p
I'm really glad you like it, am about to do the school run so I'm sure I'm going to get a lot of interest, don't know if I should say it's a wig or not! Before, I used to scrape my own hair back and wear lots of clip ons, never got used to concealers. The 'before' pic really is dreadful but then my hair was wet at the time so it doesn't look 'quite' that bad in its natural state when it's dry.

fleur1979
January 27th, 2012, 12:59 PM
Pirategirl, that looks so natural...
wow!! Hope it will get more comfortable to sleep in...

Pirategirl
January 27th, 2012, 02:22 PM
Thank you Fleur! ;-)

Vlal
January 29th, 2012, 12:09 PM
It looks lovely - really pretty and suits you. I love the colour.

As for the family/close friends - be prepared for them to never like it the way you do. It matters how it makes you feel... and that seems to be totally boosted and happy, which is the main thing! It is a big adjustment for you and them, but I know from my own experience that when your loved ones aren't feeling it, it can definitely affect the way you feel about it... just remember that they are so used to seeing you with your bio hair and that no supplemental hair is going to look exactly the same. I have had to explain that to certain family members who have expressed thoughts/feelings about my choices that I would rather have not heard... because I wasn't in the right place to deal with them at the time. I think some people expect a like-for-like replacement... whereas, if you have quite individual hair with quirks (I had a cowlick and 'interesting' hairline) then that is most likely not going to be replicated.

Pirategirl
January 29th, 2012, 12:34 PM
Thanks for that Vlal ;-)

Well it's been 4 days since getting it done.
I have had some issues around my ears, which have been getting quite sore on and off what with the glue sitting so near the skin there, so I've been dabbing with surgical spirits and wiggling the wig to loosen it just a tad around that area, but it's manageable. Generally its all feeling a bit softer on my head now and more relaxed, not so pulled tight. The quality of the hair is still great, and I've put some product in it today to give it some texture which is lovely. No loose hairs coming out yet.
Went to bluewater and nobody batted an eye, and at a party last night nobody realised it was a wig but ALL the girls said how lovely I was looking ;-)

So far so good ;-)

Pirategirl
February 13th, 2012, 03:32 AM
Update:

ok so after 2 weeks in my glued hairline was starting to itch quite a bit (I think I probably have a sensitive scalp) so decided to get the wig taken off. This process was not pain free! I think because I hadn't been wearing the glue for that long (it is supposed to stay on for about 4 weeks), the salon had to remove it early whilst still in it's strongest stage. Took about 3.5 hours to soften all the glue enough to get it off.

So all in all now that I've worn a full lace wig I can say that for me it was a gorgeous 2 weeks, loved the feeling of having hair to play with, I got it styled at a salon to thin it out a little and curl it and it was beautiful ;-) I can also say that possibly for me, the fact that I already have a fair amount of fine hair on my head, possibly contributed to the itching? There were two ladies either side of me (without natural hair) who were happily having their wigs re glued on so perhaps they didn't have the same issues I had.

Now I'm wig free for a bit, and on to the next experiment ;-)

Vlal
February 13th, 2012, 07:50 AM
Took about 3.5 hours to soften all the glue enough to get it off.

:shock: That's a crazy long time!!! How much glue did they use?! What glue did they use for that matter? Was it something like UltraHold? That sounds like a total nightmare. I think doing it yourself would be preferable... you could do it for a week at a time and it definitely would not take that long to take off!! It usually takes a few minutes to break a soft bond.

Out of interest, were you washing the wig on your head at all? I just wonder how you were maintaining your own hair/scalp underneath.


I can also say that possibly for me, the fact that I already have a fair amount of fine hair on my head, possibly contributed to the itching?

Hair or no hair, it shouldn't make a difference - assuming you mean that the bonded area was itching and not the general scalp. These wigs were initially primarily made for people with hair (in theatre and TV/movie productions) and have only been taken up by the hair loss market in more recent years. They are generally favoured now by many women with afro hair who want to use it as a protective style whilst growing their own hair out... so being bald is not a pre-requisite. That being said, it sounds like it was more a case of you not reacting well to the bonding products. Were they all patch tested on you by the salon beforehand (at least 48 hours before)? The skin on your face (around your hairline) and on the scalp tends to be quite sensitive and the products should be patch tested behind the ear before use - this applies even if doing the bonding yourself (a bit like patch testing dye).

Pirategirl
February 13th, 2012, 10:22 AM
When she was fitting the wig initially she only used a cotton wool bud to apply a thin layer of glue, think it might have been ultrahold. She applied the glue 2 times over, and then added some tape at the back. She left it between each application for about 20 mins to get tacky.

To take off she applied C22 in small spritzes, left it for 20 mins, came to check, respritzed, left it for 20 etc etc...the back was the worst.

No they didn't offer me a patch test first, but to be fair it didn't start itching until about 6 days in, and if they usually say 48 hours for a patch test to take effect, then I'm not sure I'd have discovered my sensitivity anyway.

My itchy area was (and still is actually) at the back of my hairline, under my hair at the nape of my neck, they did put tape there too, that was the most itchy part, and the hardest to remove from my hair when the wig came off. Come to think of it, with a FLW they pull down some of the baby hairs first so that you can see them when the wig is on, so surely if they are putting glue just above those baby hairs, that glue is going to be on your own hair isn't it? So there's no way to avoid putting glue directly on the hair? Have I got that right?

Incidentally I also had the same glue on my skin above my forehead around the hairline but it wasn't itchy. However taking the glue OFF my hairline has pulled out some of my baby hairs :-(... you live and learn.

They told me not to wash the wig on my head at all. But I did wash it once after a week as I thought it needed it, I just avoided the bonded areas. There was no maintenance of my own scalp underneath.

Vlal
February 13th, 2012, 11:55 AM
To take off she applied C22 in small spritzes, left it for 20 mins, came to check, respritzed, left it for 20 etc etc...the back was the worst.


To break a bond quickly and effectively, they need to soak the bond in solvent (no small spritzes!). I would normally drench with solvent, then wait a couple of minutes, then try to lift and if there is any pulling or tugging feeling, liberally drench again and wait another minute or two before sliding it off.



No they didn't offer me a patch test first, but to be fair it didn't start itching until about 6 days in, and if they usually say 48 hours for a patch test to take effect, then I'm not sure I'd have discovered my sensitivity anyway.

True, but if you are allergic to the tape, it might have showed up.


My itchy area was (and still is actually) at the back of my hairline, under my hair at the nape of my neck, they did put tape there too, that was the most itchy part, and the hardest to remove from my hair when the wig came off.

Maybe you are allergic to the tape. One of the most popular ones - Supertape - has a high amount of people who get a reaction to it. I use it occasionally and I am okay using it for a day or 2 (it's a long hold tape!), but if I leave it longer, I start to break out.


Come to think of it, with a FLW they pull down some of the baby hairs first so that you can see them when the wig is on,

Do you mean of the wig or your own hair?



so surely if they are putting glue just above those baby hairs, that glue is going to be on your own hair isn't it?

Assuming you mean your own hair... I have never heard of that method before. IMO it's completely wrong to get adhesive on your bio hair, but that is just my opinion. The tape or glue should be going outside your hairline. This is why people who have hair left, need to add an extra 1/4 inch to their measurements, to allow them to bond outside their own hair. Plus, the wig should have its own baby hairs.



So there's no way to avoid putting glue directly on the hair? Have I got that right?

You can totally avoid getting it on your bio hair. That's the whole point (normally & unless you are bald) - to protect your own hair. Even with a topper, people would normally opt to bond onto bare skin by shaving their hair where the thinning area is. I have never intentionally applied adhesive to my own hair. I usually wear a stocking wig cap for protection and bond outside my hair line, except for the very front, where I bond half the depth of tape across the stocking wig cap and half onto my own forehead skin (bare skin).


However taking the glue OFF my hairline has pulled out some of my baby hairs :-(... you live and learn.

Ideally no glue should be on your baby hair. If the bond is broken properly, then no pulling out of hair (if any does get on your own hair) should occur. Any glue stuck to the hair should be removed with some alcohol.


They told me not to wash the wig on my head at all. But I did wash it once after a week as I thought it needed it, I just avoided the bonded areas. There was no maintenance of my own scalp underneath.

In theory, you can get away with not washing a wig for a month, but the problem is that these wigs can get quite dirty and smelly from picking up smells like cooking and dust from pollution etc. To leave a wig on for 4 weeks and not be washing or maintaining your own bio hair or scalp is not ideal. I couldn't actually do it as I would get a smelly head. :hairy: After 5 to 6 days, the wig is ready to come off my head LOL!

Pirategirl
February 13th, 2012, 02:15 PM
I mean that they pull down some of your own baby hairs, your natural ones, before they put the wig on, don't they? I couldn't see what they were doing round the back but certainly at the sides and the front she was combing out my natural baby hairs first. Yes the wig had its own baby hairs too.

Ah wait, she DID use a stocking cap, she did some taping to that certainly. I still wouldn't choose to go through the glue removal again in a hurry.

Vlal
February 13th, 2012, 02:44 PM
I mean that they pull down some of your own baby hairs, your natural ones, before they put the wig on, don't they?

No! Never ever have I seen that... or heard of it... I would have to stop them!

A lot of women wear a wig with a totally different colour to their own hair - so they definitely wouldn't want to be pulling out any baby hair. Who wants to pull our their own hair and then stick something highly sticky down on top of it? That is going to pull those hairs out like waxing... the only time I ever use my own hair with a wig is if I am non-bonding and wearing a lace front and I might choose to blend with my own hair. The thing is, I would get a weird apperance under the lace where those baby hairs were stuck down under it as to be poking out, they must be under/behind where the front of the wig it is sitting and thus squashing the baby hair before it pokes out surely?!

The reason the wig has baby hair, is because the wig maker assumes you won't... because yours will be underneath the wig!

Vlal
February 13th, 2012, 02:46 PM
I still wouldn't choose to go through the glue removal again in a hurry.

P.S. Please don't take that as an indicator of bonding... to me that is very poor bonding - 3.5 hours getting it off... you must have been a saint to sit there! If you did it yourself, I can guarantee the wig would be off your head in a fraction of the time!

Pirategirl
February 13th, 2012, 02:51 PM
ok I'll take your word for it, for sure ;-))

Vlal
February 13th, 2012, 03:01 PM
ok I'll take your word for it, for sure ;-))

Your prerogative.

pliz
March 29th, 2012, 10:52 AM
My other half has had the intralace system fitted for the last 5 months. I thought i'd have a look at some more reviews of Lucinda as we have been thinking the place isnt all what its cracked up to be.

we have paid £1800 for the system.
and so far in 5 months around £1000 for maintenance.
plus £36 each for a 3 hour train journey and a day off work.

Anyone wishing to have this done be warned , the price is outrageous. !

Our opinions on LE....
The salon itself is nicely decorated an plush but the heating in the place is UNBAREABLE. The staff are friendly , offer you free tea and coffee etc. The receptionists upstairs are friendly and helpfull. Once you are downstairs the staff change, they are always bitching about each other or discussing last nights ''pull'' in great detail whist having your appointment. They also will leave you for a cigarette break and make it obvious. '' are you coming for a fag break'' when you are paying £45 an hour a little professionalism is needed. Once it comes to 5pm onwards they are all ready to get out the door an rush your appointment. The skill, and service you get depends on the person, its pot luck. It is definately all about the money an possibly LE has lost its personal touch now with undermotivated and poorly paid staff. ( we no this cause they told us)
The product itself in our opinion is fantastic and the misses looks amazing and has gained in confidence an self asteem, can you put a price on that? hmmm im not sure? They charge for every snip , colour , pull, prod at LE so when they say . ''shall we just put a little colour on that bit '' that means add another £100 to your bill.
If there are alternatives at half the price would she do it again hell yes! an i'd have to re-mortgage the house.!

I would say for 2 years using the intralace system at LE we dont expect change from £6000.

Vlal
March 29th, 2012, 02:08 PM
Hi pliz

There are other places in the UK that offer this type of system. Where abouts in the UK are you based? I might be able to suggest somewhere else that is nearer you and possibly cheaper.

Annemarie41
April 1st, 2012, 12:19 PM
Pliz
I can't agree with you enough - when I wropte to her to complain back 4 1/2 years ago she told me she wasd "devastated" and noone else had ever said this about her systems!
What she sells is an initial sense of normaiity when you feel there is no one else to turn to - you don't think - but in fact they sew a partial wig (the very word you were scared off) that has in own sets of problems to feel self conscious about and then charge you a packet - last time I was there the woman with the stop watch did it for me - when they went to the loo I was like NOOOOO!!! that'll be another tenner!
So glad to leave there and after another expensive lesson with the lovely White Cliffs have left behind these salons - as you say they loose sight of their intial goal to help people and get greedy! Such as shame :crazy:

Vlal
April 1st, 2012, 01:46 PM
Pliz
last time I was there the woman with the stop watch did it for me - when they went to the loo I was like NOOOOO!!! that'll be another tenner!


:shock: Do you mean they were timing and charging by the hour or something? Surely if they went to the loo, you shouldn't be charged for that!!

Annemarie41
April 1st, 2012, 04:34 PM
They did say when I went to pay it was £10 more and I had to say well the girls went to the loo so that was why it was 5 mins over - I had to stand there at the desk with people queing behind me to pay their hefty bills too whilst they verrified the loo visit - awkward it was - was soo helpless and niave then still live and learn but defo personal touch had gone from there - shame x

Vlal
April 2nd, 2012, 06:18 AM
Wow that is insane... really bizarre. I am glad you don't have to deal with that anymore. All that money you are saving and being able to have control and do it yourself feels so much better. :bravo:

marpa
May 28th, 2014, 04:10 PM
Hi pliz

There are other places in the UK that offer this type of system. Where abouts in the UK are you based? I might be able to suggest somewhere else that is nearer you and possibly cheaper.

Hi Vlal

Do you know of other places which offer similar system as LE Interlace (i.e. integrated with existing hair)? I love the idea but frankly I could not afford LE prices.

Gina D
July 2nd, 2014, 06:29 AM
Do you know of other places which offer similar system as LE Interlace (i.e. integrated with existing hair)? I love the idea but frankly I could not afford LE prices.[/QUOTE]

I'm very new to this and very intersted in wearing some sort of hair, I too would like to know is there anywhere else in London who fits similar hair Interlace systems like LE? I just can not afford her prices,

thanks

wacky12
July 13th, 2014, 03:24 AM
Do you know of other places which offer similar system as LE Interlace (i.e. integrated with existing hair)? I love the idea but frankly I could not afford LE prices.

I'm very new to this and very intersted in wearing some sort of hair, I too would like to know is there anywhere else in London who fits similar hair Interlace systems like LE? I just can not afford her prices,

thanks[/QUOTE]

Hi - there are a lot of places that do attached systems - Bloomsbury's/Hillside Hair/Esteem in London are a few. You really have to search them out because they dont' use PR companies to push their system like Lucinda Ellery do. I use Hillside Hair right now, and the customer service is far better than at Lucinda Ellery, who I used for 7 years, or Hairsolved, (less than a year) who are all ex-Lucinda Ellery staff and have the same poor level of customer service. You can have a system that the salon maintains or one that you do, it's up to you.

My new system is bespoke, hand-tied individual remy hair, with the attachments picked for what will work best for me, not off-the-rack. My own hair is less stressed and isn't getting pulled out by having 50-60 connections all over my head, only at teh back where there is no hair loss with tape in 3 places at the front and sides.

There are many many many people who used to use lucinda ellery and who have left because they weren't happy with the system or the staff - every time there was a problem, it was my fault in some way, even when 40% of the connections unwound and fell out because they werent' melted properly one time. You get charged for every thing - it's £2400 for a system, £150-500 to maintain, plus replacing the hair as it doesn't last 2 years, like they say.

carlylouise
September 14th, 2014, 04:22 AM
Just read through all the comments and wondering if anyone is still actually going there to LE?. I am new to them, and agree with some of the comments, but not all...
It is very expensive and I hope to find a cheaper alternative in the future, as its killing my credit card :(

Trichster
November 12th, 2014, 01:31 PM
How is Hillside? iv looked at their website but not sure, iv been to hair solved before but didnt end up having the system.
Iv had so many systems over the years.

I tried Lucinda Ellery and she is very lovely but its just not in my budget and to be honest bit like a factory in side, I went to Hair Solved for a consultation but didnt end up going back, but if you google hair integration systems theres so many salons and people that do the systems it just needs a bit of research, I prefer a bit more of a personal approach because im still recovering from TTM aswell as having Alopecia so im now using a place called The Hair Confidante, which is working out great for now, but im surprised how many places have popped up doing similar systems... anyone else have any recommendations?