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  1. mrvitous26

    mrvitous26 Established Member

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    I am taking Spironolactone 50 mg and using Rogaine Men's 2x Daily 5%. And on Biotin 2,500 mg, 1x daily. Also dieting and exercising regularly.

    before2.jpg before.jpg This was around the time I started Rogaine, in September or October 2014. Couldn't wear it down at this point because the shedding was so bad. It was always on my coat, on my back, on my shirt... Just everywhere... :(

    3.9.15-3.jpg 3.9.15-2.jpg 3.9.15-4.jpg These were taken just now. I mostly wear it down just because it's a lot better for the scalp and now it actually doesn't fall out!!! :)


    As you can see, lots of improvement mostly the roots. The ends are crappy but I keep up with cuts which makes a huge difference. No more shedding at all at this point unless I don't wash it, then the oil builds up which leads to more hair loss but still nothing major...

    It tends to look dry, not sure what to use as a styling agent... Let me know if you find anything that works. My hair doesn't need much because I don't want to weigh it down. Looks messy most of the time but I don't care, there is actually hair now!

    I use Aveda Scalp Therapy Shampoo, and just ordered the Rosemary Mint... My scalp likes Aveda products. I also use Toppik Shampoo which you can find at Sally. I also use the Ketoconazole shampoo as needed when I feel like my scalp is itchy (because I was diagnosed with Dermatitis as well as Androgenetic Alopecia.) I just use a little and mix it with my other shampoo because it is very drying...

    I usually avoid conditioner because I feel like it leads to more hair loss. I'm sure now I could put some on my ends, but will still avoid my scalp because I don't think I need it on top with the excess oil.

    I have a hard time knowing what to use so once again please message me with things that you use which you found that work...

    I thought I would touch base with everyone again so you all can see my progress. Hairs are sticking up everywhere which means it is growing!!! There IS hope! I am always here if you have any comments or questions. I am happy to ask! I was in a rough state mentally and the hair loss only made things worse these last few years so it is nice to FINALLY see improvement. Rogaine is DEFINITELY the way to go if you have been diagnosed with Androgenetic Alopecia. I was diagnosed 3 times. I do think that my case is TE but with the Androgenetic Alopecia being in my family, this is what was revealed in the Biopsy.


    Thanks for looking.


    -Michelle
     
  2. Wolf924

    Wolf924 Experienced Member

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    LOOKS AMAZINGLY BEAUTIFUL--CAN'T EVEN TELL THERE IS HAIR LOSS!!!!!! Yay!!!!!
     
  3. mrvitous26

    mrvitous26 Established Member

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    Hi Wolf924... Thank you. Just thought I would share. My hair was in a very rough state for oh 2 1/2 years... If any of you are experiencing excess hair loss (and are not currently on Rogaine) please just go on it and don't look back. (As long as you have officially been diagnosed with TE or Androgenetic Alopecia...) Don't just go on it if you haven't been to a Doctor... It is serious business starting this process and shouldn't be taken lightly... But I was on the fence about this for so long and the stress did NOT help so for those of you who are like me, just go on it and stick it out. It will take a while for things to improve.

    Thanks,

    Michelle
     
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    Wow, mrvirtuous, your hair looks amazing. Very impressive results. I am seriously considering using this. Was your dread shed really bad? I don't think I could deal with that as my hair is so sparse to begin with.
     
  5. mrvitous26

    mrvitous26 Established Member

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    Hi Chrissy,

    I had similar concerns as my hair was thin as can be... I noticed a lot of re-growth but at the same time hair loss was going on too... Thank god, because it was really coming out... the thing about Rogaine is while it does knock all the weak hairs out, it is working to create stronger hairs and also at the same time, to slow the hair loss down... A lot is going on at once with the hairs cycles and all.

    I know everyone is different. I know it is not an easy decision to make. All I can tell you is to take a look at your condition now. Are you shedding a lot now? Then what do you have to lose?

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    I watched my hair fall out for 4 years. It started when I was 24. I had a lot to begin with and never wanted to resort to Rogaine, but I honestly believe Rogaine is what saved my hair! I did put it off because I wanted to eliminate all other possible factors, and I did, believe me. I went through everything, all possible causes.

    -Weight loss
    -Vitamin deficiency
    -Thyroid/anemic issues
    -Not eating properly/not enough protein
    -Antidepressants and the anxiety/depression in itself
    -My obsessive thoughts about the hair loss
    -Accutane, a drug I took for severe acne
    -Saw 3 dermatologists who all told me the same thing, then had Biopsy done
    -I tried to wait it out but it only got worse

    YOU NAME IT! So I think it is TE but Androgenetic Alopecia showed up because it is on my mom's side. She has extremely thin hair and her mom did as well. Stress can trigger earlier onsets with hair loss. That is what I believe. I have been going through this for the last 5 years and honestly I am just tired. I don't want this to take over my life.

    So I bit the bullet and went with Rogaine and Spironolactone, I am very thankful that it is working; however, I wish I would have started sooner if I would have known... I know that others do not have as much success, it's because all of our stories are so unique/complicated...

    For those of you with similar circumstances, try to reduce your worry and anxiety about the hair loss, just start the Rogaine, you won't be sorry. There is really nothing to lose when you are already in such a fragile state. <3<3

    I am finally at peace/rest. I will continue to follow up with the Doctor with lab work to see where all of my levels are. I have a full examination at the end of this month. I will probably try to go off of Spironolactone at some point to see if it is really just the Rogaine that is working. That is a scary thought but something that I will have to consider at some point... Along with going off BC... I am terrified to do this though.;/ I am sorry that I ever went on it in the first place! I am not even sexually active and haven't been for years. It was only to regulate my periods. What BS this is. I think that BC pills mess with our hormones, then going off of them messes with them some more... Oh the joys of being a woman...!

    Good luck to all of you going through this... It sucks and I wish there was more of an answer for all of us... Take it from someone who knows. Stress and worry and obsessive thoughts DO NOT help AT ALL! Please try to keep yourself busy and focused. Exercise and eat good. Get through The cycles and stages of your hair loss, it will take time. I am glad that mine turned around and is improving and I pray that it stays this way...<3<3 I think my actions have dramatically improved the situation. I chose a treatment plan and have been sticking with it. I eat well and exercise daily. All of these things will help your hair...

    -Michelle
     
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    Wow - that looks like totally normal hair! Only people on this site would know what a compliment that is : ). You would never know you had an issue looking at these latest pics.

    so happy for you.

    totally agree on Rogaine since I'm also getting great results with it, it's got to be worth a try
     
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    Your hair looks so plentiful! So glad you're having good results - it looks great!
     
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    mrvitous26 Established Member

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    Thanks Nerak! Yes, I feel very grateful. Your hair looks great too! You have had amazing results. :)

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    Thanks Sunlit! What is your status? *Looks for your posts*
     
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    I think I have PCOS and Androgenetic Alopecia--already been diagnosed with TE, and now my male hormones are wacky so there we have it. I am thinking about Rogaine but want to first get the official diagnosis and treatment program which should be in the next month. Also need to get my seb derm under control first before applying.

    You use men's 5% foam or drops? Also, was there scalp irritation? A huge dread shed? Any tips for a first time Rogaine person?
     
  10. Nerak

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    Wolf - I use the 5% liquid, 1x per day. This routine works well for me as I do it at home in the evening and don't need to worry about styling my hair afterwards.

    i'd say start slow to avoid or limit the shed - wish someone had told me that - maybe every 2nd day to begin with.

    my shed was not terrible but I did lose considerably more hair for a couple of weeks. By the time I started minoxidil my hair was in a horrendous state anyway so the overall appearance didn't seem too much worse after the shed.

    i did get some itching in the first few weeks but that passed. Also so dandruff/build up on the scalp but, again, it passed.

    now all the only thing I have from minoxidil is more hair! Sure, some of it is on my face but who cares, I was almost fully bald in places and now I look normal after just 4-5 months (well normal with my hair tied back, but the rest will come with patience.)
     
  11. Wolf924

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    Nerak do you think waiting on the firm diagnosis and their med treatment suggestions are worth it? My shed is down but I am shedding short uncut hairs and think tiny hairs in abundance. Plus I do see regrowth and improvement so I am nervous to start Rogaine because of these facts.
     
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    Yeah, your situation is a bit different to mine. I had no hormone issues, scalp was fine and no vitamin deficiencies, all blood tests perfectly normal. The only underlying medical problem is my niggly gall bladder. My hairloss was straightforward if there is such a thing - it was either TE brought on by hospitalisation and stress or Androgenetic Alopecia. There was nothing else in the mix.

    Maybe wait and get a few more answers before starting Rogaine. You don't want to get through the shed to find out it wasn't the right treatment!
     
  13. mrvitous26

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    Hi Wolf - I had/have Seborrheic Dermatitis as well. I started up with the Rogaine even with this and I have been fine. I use the liquid. I think I had minor irritation at first but then it went away. I definitely had the dred shed. It was awful. But oddly, my hair didn't look any worse then it did prior to using Rogaine. I think hair was coming in as it was falling out... But after the initial dred shed which lasted about a month and a half, things really started to improve. The dred shed is actually a good thing (I know the way this sounds/seems) but really the old weak hair needs to be knocked out before new and stronger hairs can come in... It's just the way it is... The Ketoconazole Shampoo works well for the Dermatitis but I recommend mixing it with a mild shampoo because it is drying. It alleviates the symptoms right away though!

    I would recommend that you use the Rogaine 2x a day and be as consistent as possible. At times I did notice a lot of flaking which was irritating but it seems as if that could have been from the Winter here in Wisconsin because as it's warming up, I am noticing less flaking! Also, make sure to use a Mild Shampoo because a lot of Shampoos will irritate your scalp and flare up the dermatitis. Aveda Products work well with my scalp, I know they add extra ingredients but they are one of the best I've tried. Also try Toppik out which is sold at Sally. Initially, when starting Rogaine really try to be gentle and avoid blow drying if at all possible. The dred shed is bad at first but it WILL get better and if you are lucky like me you WILL see new hair growth as the old hairs are being knocked out. Just stay STRONG and focused on the end result. I made the decision to start Rogaine because my hair kept getting worse and worse and worse... So you have to reach your breaking point before starting it I suppose...and I was there. Had I known what I know now, I would have started Rogaine sooner.

    I know how frustrating it is and we all are different! I just think Rogaine is worth a try! Give it 6 months - a year, 2x a day usage (1 ml, it is systematic), avoid blow drying initially until the hair is stronger and try to use cool air if you must, avoid styling products because this will make it come out more, really be gentle since the hair is in a fragile state!) I'm still trying to figure out what to use/what to avoid, etc.

    I get itchyness here and there but it seems to be getting better (not sure if it's from Rogaine or Dermatitis.) I usually just put a dab of Ketoconazole Shampoo on the itchy spots when this happens and it does the trick!

    Exercise, sleep, and eat well. Take care of yourself, this is all so very stressful so do your best to avoid stress in your life. I swear the dermatitis flares up when I get stressed and calms down when I am taking better care of myself. But this is just my opinion of course.

    I hope this helps. <3




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    I do not agree with this. It is recommended that you use Rogaine 2x a day for best results. At some point though when my hair is strong enough I will try going down to once a day and see what happens... There is no way to "avoid" the dred shed. This is just my opinion though of course...

    Yes the facial hair sucks. REALLY SUCKS but now I have hair on top so it's all good. Seems like this has been improving too, I think it is important to change your pillow cases frequently...I did this and I notice less facial hair.

    I recommend following the instructions to see the best results. It is totally up to you though, of course.

     
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    Yeah, sorry I should have clarified my regime is a little different. On docs advice I do 2x the dose in one hit. So same amount overall as 2x per day. But in a single application. The liquid I use is not standard either, it contains retinoic acid.

    i would definitely follow doctor or product advice on application.

    i did do 2x per day on the standard solution for a month before I saw the specialist.

    i didn't know about 'easing in' so never had the opportunity to try it. not sure if it works or not, maybe someone else has some experience they can share......
     
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    Hey Nerak! Yeah I have heard of people doing the application once. I tend to go over 1 ml in the morning but then I will go through it again at night and apply a little less. I wish I could drop down to once a day, just nervous about it. I tried before and I swear I had an increased shed, but who knows my hair was in a much more fragile state then.

    Unfortunately, this is all trial and error for us. :( What do you mean the liquid you use isn't standard?


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    Wolf, if your hair is improving on it's own, wait a while before deciding to go on Rogaine. I think the hair loss has to be pretty bad before deciding to go on Rogaine... Rogaine is for life... ;(
     
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    I use a version of minoxidil that also contains 0.01% retinoic acid. It's only available on prescription through the specialist in New Zealand, even your regular doctor can't prescribe it. You can buy the regular 5% liquid over the counter without a prescription as normal.

    i'm not entirely sure what the benefit of the retinoic acid is, I'm sure the doctor told me at the time but you know how these appointments can be - information overload!

    It dose have a slightly more oily texture than the normal liquid which is good because it doesn't run down your face but it does leave your hair a bit oily looking. Seemed to be slightly easier on the scalp too. I'd really struggle if I had to do it in the morning, there would be no way I could style my hair afterwards unless I just slicked it all back - not a good look for me! Maybe that's why they say 2ml, 1x per day, at night? Or maybe there is some more scientific reason? I'll ask at my next appointment.

    I paid a LOT to see this doctor so I hope the advice is good. Seems to be working so far, fingers crossed.
     
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    Hi Nerak,

    I agree, applying it twice a day is a pain in the butt. I am going to try with once a day again using 2 ml and see... Sometimes I forget the second application because I am exhausted and as you know, this is not a 1.2..3... and you are done process. My hair seems much more stable now so I am not sure if it would make any difference. It's systematic so as long as you are applying it at least once a day, I think you are fine... Idk, honestly I am confused. Lol, I wish I knew for sure if it made any difference or not.

    I know what you mean about slicking it back. That's pretty much what I do... I just try to be consistent... I wish women who are having success with 1x a day usage would speak up! :)



    Thanks,

    Michelle

     
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    Hi Michelle,

    For a while I was using Pantene's Lightweight conditioner, but noticed it wasn't helping with the dryness associated with the Nizoral shampoo. Yesterday I tried the Dove Oxygen Moisture conditioner and it made a huge difference. My hair actually looked shiny and normal. You might want to give it a try (on the bottom half of your hair).
     

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